Reconsider Winsor II, Fed Tells Government

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Staff Association warns that further erosion of pay and conditions will deal huge blow to Service.

Date - 31st January 2012
Courtesy of - Cliff Caswell - Police Oracle

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The Government should carefully consider the implications of Tom Winsor's second set of pay recommendations if a financial blow to officers is to be avoided.

Speaking after the Home Secretary's announcement that she would be accepting the Police Arbitration Tribunal's decision on the first part of the pay review, Federation Chairman Paul McKeever said the move could push the Service to breaking point.

“I would ask how much more the Government want us to take, particularly when you are taking about men and women who give so much to society.”

He asserted that morale had already been delivered a hammer blow, and that a second round of changes to conditions and pay would be "going too far".

As reported on PoliceOracle.com, the second set of the Winsor's recommendations are now imminent and will examine the long-term pay and conditions picture.

Mr McKeever said: "I would ask how much more the Government want us to take, particularly when you are taking about men and women who give so much to society.

"Winsor Part II is an exercise to take more money from them – our officers are putting their lives on the line and this is how they are being rewarded."

Mr McKeever went on the point out that cuts to police budgets meant that officers had been placed under increasing strain amid dwindling resources.

He predicted that the situation in Gloucestershire Constabulary – during which the Chief Constable Tony Melville warned that the Force was being "pushed towards a cliff edge" by funding reductions – would be replicated elsewhere.

The Chairman added: "The Government is going to have to be careful – we do not want to upset the applecart but they are at risk of putting the ship towards the rocks.

"Last year we saw the worst riots we have perhaps ever seen and the economic climate is worsening – yet we have seen decisions made on the basis of ideological teaching."

Elsewhere, Mr McKeever stressed that no decisions had yet been made about exactly what shape the staff association's annual conference in May would take.

The Chairman said: "Normally we will talk to anybody – traditionally the Home Secretary has been invited with the Policing Minister and representatives of the Opposition.

"But we shall clearly have to wait and see how the dynamic develops," he concluded.

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Maverick22 - Tue, 31 January 2012
There is no doubt that this Government are 'out to get the police', there can be no other reason. No other body is having money taken from their pay, like HMG is doing to the police. I hoped that when we got rid of that Labour shower that things would improve for the police, but Show-Pony Dave, and Mrs Malfoy are doing their very best to ruin the service. It's time to consider the right to withdraw labour and the public to see what would happen without police on the streets. It happened in Canada years ago, and it lasted 4 hours before the Canadian Government realised what a faux pas they had made , and restored police pay and conditions. HMG saying the police cannot strike is rubbish, even if only 50% went on strike, who would arrest them all, they couldn't sack them because that would leave the country dangerously short of officers, and it would take years to train thousands of officers to take their place. The only other choice is a 'national day of sickness' to teach this shower a lesson that they would remember for decades. The public might not like us for a while but they soon forget, and most would blame HMG anyway. Roll on the revolution.
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Peter - Wed, 01 February 2012
People need to watch what is said as they are breaking the law as it stands even talking about a work to rule! Yes they are out to break the Police, Winsor was never about saving money it's all about putting the Police in their place. We have no friends from those in power it's a fact. They will do as they please because they can, I my self will need to take on a second job after they get their way and no doupt the Chief Officer will decline my efforts to keep a roof over the heads of my family. Why do we invite the HS and Minester of Justice to the Fed con in May? Let's not speak to those who are trying to bring law and order to its knees in this country!
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pdcourt - Fri, 03 February 2012
I said a long time ago the MP's had an agenda against the police due to the prosecution of lodge members folowing the allowance scandal.
How dare some one question our supremecy.Did you ever wonder how,why revolutions started ?
The normal people being trodden on by a class of people who have nothing more than a lot of money but little knowledge. This includes bank chiefs,who in the main must be of the same ilk
I have been a servant of these people for some years beliving that they would look after their supporters.
I am no longer in their employment. I apologize for my niavtivity
We are led by a bunch of public school boys/girls who have no knowledge of the real world or real life. If they don't like the way the game is going they take their ball back.
As for under reporting never forget.Much like most labour politicians the BBC is full of back door communists.
The answer ? tone it down, get voted in and then impose your left wing views.
The police will soon be run by their puppets or should I say commisioners.Expect your brown envelopes soon.Accept them or resign.
I rember a particular Sgt being aggrieved by some of my comments when I was sacked (A19) Saying the police would remain fundementaly the same no matter what answer ? tone envelopes soon.Accept them or resign.
I rember a particular Sgt being aggrieved by some of my comments when I was sacked (A19) Saying the police would remain fundementaly the same no matter what.
Look at you now

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Obiter_Dicta - Sun, 05 February 2012
Police Act 1996 : Causing disaffection.E+W(1)Any person who causes, or attempts to cause, or does any act calculated to cause, disaffection amongst the members of any police force, or induces or attempts to induce, or does any act calculated to induce, any member of a police force to withhold his services, shall be guilty of an offence and liable—
(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or to both;
(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to a fine, or to both.
(2)This section applies to [F1members of the British Transport Police Force and] special constables appointed for a police area as it applies to members of a police force.

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