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#1 Biker girl

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 02:56 PM

Hi guys....


New to this section of the forums; I'm usually in the General Discussion adding my tuppence worth!

However....I thought that beings as assessment day may be looming, I had better get a crack on with my How2Be....CD-ROM...Tis' very good!

 

I am on the Verbal Reasoning part and this is where you guys come in. I don't agree with one of the answers and because of this, it's added to my confusions. Could you please give your opinions on this...

 

"Following a bank robbery in a town centre, 6 masked gunmen were seen speeding away from the scene in a black car. The incident, which happened in broad daylight in front of hundreds of shoppers, was picked up by CCTV footage.

 

Police are appealing for witnessess."

 

Now it does carry on a bit more, but the parts I'm referring to are above.

 

So the reasoning comes in....

 

"TRUE, FALSE OR IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY:

 

1. The car in which the gunmen drove off was a black van"

 

Now my answer to that was FALSE...As it clearly states in the passage given that it was a car. However on marking my test, I found that I was wrong. The answer was indeed IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY.

 

What do you think??

 


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Posted 27 February 2007 - 03:39 PM

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Hi guys....


New to this section of the forums; I'm usually in the General Discussion adding my tuppence worth!

However....I thought that beings as assessment day may be looming, I had better get a crack on with my How2Be....CD-ROM...Tis' very good!

 

I am on the Verbal Reasoning part and this is where you guys come in. I don't agree with one of the answers and because of this, it's added to my confusions. Could you please give your opinions on this...

 

"Following a bank robbery in a town centre, 6 masked gunmen were seen speeding away from the scene in a black car. The incident, which happened in broad daylight in front of hundreds of shoppers, was picked up by CCTV footage.

 

Police are appealing for witnessess."

 

Now it does carry on a bit more, but the parts I'm referring to are above.

 

So the reasoning comes in....

 

"TRUE, FALSE OR IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY:

 

1. The car in which the gunmen drove off was a black van"

 

Now my answer to that was FALSE...As it clearly states in the passage given that it was a car. However on marking my test, I found that I was wrong. The answer was indeed IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY.

 

What do you think??

 

 

 


I put false for that question as well as ! Its did say black CAR. I took this one as a trick question to see whether we just read the black or noticed that it stated a car and not as the question states a van.


I think we're right the cd's wrong !!!!! LOL


 

Storm2007-02-27 15:44:24

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 03:42 PM

I put false for that question as well as ! Its did say black CAR. I took this one as a trick question to see whether we just read the black or noticed that it stated a car and not as the question states a van.


I think we're right the cd's wrong !!!!! LOL


 



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Posted 27 February 2007 - 03:46 PM

It's horrible isn't it?? Are they known for putting in trick questions??
 

When you say you had this one, do you mean in the real PIRT or do you have the CD-ROM too?


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Posted 27 February 2007 - 03:47 PM

The only way I can figure that as impossible to say is if by car they just mean automobile, with no specific characteristics other than it just being black.
 

What do you think?


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Posted 27 February 2007 - 03:55 PM

Personally I think they messed up !
 

No I have the cd, my assessment is next week !! To say I'm a bit nervous is an understatement !!
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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:04 PM

Wow!!! I'm still waiting to hear about mine...Paper sift queen me! lol
 

What division did you apply for?

 

Ah....So if you have the CD-ROM what about this one??

 

"The man that was sacked from the factory may have started the fire"

 

I say nu-uh...Impossible to say....But Ohh nooo....They say that's it TRUE!!!

 

No way!!!! Now if that's not an opinion then I'm screwed coz I'd put the same answer everytime!!


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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:10 PM

Firstly I'm moving this to the PIRT and Recruitment Interview thread, more appropriate there.
 

Anyway I think you are right, it is clearly false, as it says a black car.  I know a lot of people rely quite heavily on the How2be CDs etc however from my recruitment knowledge, there is some information which is inaccurate or out of date.  You are better off reading the Westshire Welcome Pack and Information for Candidates packs thoroughly, everything you need is in these documents.  With regards to the interview you would do well to remind yourself of your section 4 CBQ answers. 
Salsoul2007-02-27 16:11:31
Salsoul - Open minds and open questions

#9 Storm

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:12 PM

I applied to West Mids but transfered to West Mercia for my A/C.
 

The key thing you need to look at in this question is they say "may" Is there anything in the statement that proves the man didn't do it ? If not, its true to say he "may" have. Always look for the "may" or "could"

 

If the question asked whether he did do it, there nothing in the statement that tells us he did or didn't so in that instance it would be impossible to say.

 

Does that make sense ? Big%20smile


#10 Biker girl

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:12 PM

Thanks for moving me to a more appropriate place...Sorry bout that!
 

However....The what, what and the what??????


#11 Biker girl

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:13 PM

Ah....Sorry Salsoul...Didn't see Storm's reply there!
 

Yeah Storm I get ya...I think I was almost at that conclusion myself!! Thanks!

 


#12 Storm

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:18 PM

No Problem Wink
 

Its true what they say practice makes perfect or at least makes you understand.

 

Its also very true about reading your westshire pack, (you get that sent to you with your invite for assessment) I have read it that much I think I know the westshires policys more than my own job !! and I'm a union rep !!LOL


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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:18 PM

Salsoul....What's your views on the factory man??? That one really gets up my nose as that's blatent opinion!!!

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:20 PM

Biker girl whats a factory man ???Confused

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:28 PM

A factory fire at "Stevenage Supplies" was thought to be arson.



A man was seen running away from the scene shortly before the fire started.

 

Earlier that day a man was sacked from the company for allegedly stealing money from the safe.

 

The incident is the second one to occur at the factory in as many months.


#16 Biker girl

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:29 PM

QUESTION:
 

The man who was sacked from the factory may have started the fire.

 

I say IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY....They say TRUE!

 

Now I realise what you say about the "may" and what-not....But to suggest that he may have done it is pure opinion, something we're told to leave at the door!


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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:30 PM

Ah I have applied for Essex and haven't even been invited to an assessment day as yet.
 

When you get the invite, how long do they give you to prepare?


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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:41 PM

It is an opinion and I know what your saying ! but looking at it he may have had a motive (he wouldn't have been a happy chappy!) so in that respect he may have started the fire.
 

They send the Westshire pack and other information at least a couple of weeks before the assessment. My advice would be start to prepare as soon as you know you have passed paper sift.

 

I managed to down load the westshire pack of the net (I can't recall what site it was now but it wasn't a dodgy one!)

 

I don't think you can prepare enough. I have attended a college course have enough cds and books to keep me in reading matter for months and I still don't feel ready !!

 

I'm just hoping I can keep it together on the day and don't get brain freeze LOL


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Posted 27 February 2007 - 05:06 PM


The man who was sacked from the factory may have started the fire.

 

 

Its true he MAY have started the fire, however its imposible to say that  he DID start the fire. (The diffrence is in the word may or did).

I passed my assesment last year and don't worry not every question in verbal reasoning is like that.  I'm sure you will be ok. 

Assesment day can be very challenging and exhausting, but some people can also get a lot out of it.

 

 

Good luck! 

 

 
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Posted 27 February 2007 - 05:27 PM

Well most of the questions are ok...I'm more worried about the numeracy part of it. I'm working on that though. I have a few books about psychometric numerical reasoning and verbal reasoning on their way from Amazon. I also have a LearnDirect course due to start on Maths (maths skills really are bad). I have the CD-ROM as I said and am contemplating doing that In2Police course. Expensive but I'm guessing there is LOADS to learn from it?
 

I have been doing all sorts to try and prepare and I haven't even got my assessment date (if I get it at all). However I can so Imagine how one would never feel quite ready.

 

Can you believe some people sail through these days with minimum effort????? I friend if mine has just completed her 2 year probabation, but she told me that because she was a young cadet, they basically threw her through the assessment day. Grrrr!!






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