interesting point re j review that police are in a difficult positon, with no neog rights I think the pol fed are well within their rights to go to the Euro court and ask for the right to strike as there is no effective means to stop any government  their will on the workforce. With this years award still not resolved and even if we go to arbitration the law allows the HO to do what they want. We are already stuffed !

"Police lose in pay battle award"

Judicial review result comes in today, where does your money lie on which way it is going ?

Edited by Backlash - 10 June 2008 at 8:34am

Don't tell your wife this.

Yep you must be mad Kaiser!!!!!!

The Police Federation has always, and always will be, a self-sustaining oligarchy. You report that only 43% of members bothered to vote in the right to strike ballot. That is why you have this system. Unless and until HMG step beyond the mark, no-one in the (well-paid) ranks of the police will give a monkey's d**n about what goes on in the new HQ of the Fed.

The following link should provide all the information you need :

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/human-resources/police-pensions/?view=Standard

The new commutation tables provide for increased lump sums for all members of the Police Pension Scheme 1987.

As an observation this makes the New Police Pension Scheme look even worse! Under the NPPS you can surrender all or part of the fixed lump sum for more pension. However the new commutation tables mean that you now have to surrender more of your lump sum to achieve the same increase you got under the previous tables!!


Crustacean.

I am delighted to see that the Constables Central Committee have decided to rescind their previous decision to award themselves a honorarium. did the fact that they had to stand for re -election have anything to do with it, nevertheless it is welcome. Now to the election of the chairman of the police federation I read from the article in Police review by Claire Haines titled "three challengers vie for top spot at federation conference" that the chairman and the senior officials of the federation are elected by the 30 members of the inner cabal commonly known as the joint central commitee. How can a person elected in such a way dare to say that they speak for the entire membership clearly they do not. Since they have not been elected by the entire membership of the federation they can have no mandate to speak for the entire membership the only people they can speak for is the 30 members of the joint central commitee. just when will the Police Federation of England and Wales adopt a more democratic way of electing it 's leaders by means of one member one vote. When I once sat on the executive council of a professional association within healthcare I had stand for election every two years and so did all the other members of the executive council. It worked for that organisation and it would work for the Federation and I commend it to them.

More importantly to the result of the Ballot in the BBC News Headline it said that 140,000 ballot papers were sent out to every officer in England and Wales if that is so why did 80,000 (57%) police officers not send in their ballot papers, although 60,000 did 43% in percentage totals and from those voting a cleary majority were in favour Of Independant binding arbitration  93% and 86% said they wanted the federation to lobby for full industrial rights in the absence of binding arbitration and since we dont have binding arbitration then the only option is to lobby for full industrial rights which I doubt this or any government would aceed to. There are a number of issues that the federation need to focus their mind on:

1, The lack of a national membership database,

2, Why 80,000 Police Officers did not vote  apathy or they simply did not recieve a ballot paper therefore they were disenfranchised.

 As many people are aware the Department of Justice through the Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice Jack Straw have introduced legislation to ban the prison officers from being able to take industial action. The Prison Officers Association have indicated that they are going to challenge this in the European Courts I would suggest to the Federation leadership that this should be on the agenda for us as well.

Remember that having the right to do something is not the same as doing it. Now is not the time for positioning and posturing by saying members did say this or that, members were clear if we dont have independant binding arbitration (binding on both sides) in which the Home Office and I dare say the PM and the treasurey cannot interfere then we want want full industrial rights , however it would appear that 57% of Police Officers did not get the chance to say anything so we must also weigh this in to our equations.

I can't believe you doubt our justice system

Edited by keithboy37 - 22 May 2008 at 8:40pm