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Topic: OTTor what School Girl taken to nick Posted: 13 October 2006 at 4:54pm
A report in todays 'Daily Mail' re: a 14 year old Schoolgirl taken to the local nick to be 'spoken to' about an 'alleged' racial incident.
Maybe the Tabloid Newspapers such as the 'Daily Mail' just love this sort of 'incident'. The schoolgirl was at school and was in a class with several other youngsters to 'discuss' things in English. It was reported that several of the other students in the class did not speak English, but possibly Urdu. This shoolgirl then left the class and it is 'alleged' that she spoke to a Teacher about the situation. Another Teacher 'allegedly' started shouting and bawling 'you are a racist', then 'allegedly' notifed the Head who then called the local Polcie.
The white schoolgirl was 'taken away' to the local Police station and 'talked to' about this 'matter'. It was reported that she was photgraphed, fingerprinted etc etc and was as stated...'released without charge'. Is this not a fine example of 'Politcal Correctness' gone mad, and a complete waste of Police time and recourses. The only details are what was reported in the Press. But surely the Head Teacher should have used his/her 'common sense' and 'intelligence'. And as for the female Teacher who shouted 'Racism', she should have used her 'common sense' and 'intelligence' as well. OTT that is what appears to happen nowadays. There seems to more and more incidents like thisr eported in the Press. Does not this say loads for what is wrong in society.
Yes, the Police are between a 'Rock and a Hard Place' where so-called 'racist' incidents are concerned. However it appears that 'common sense' and discretion appear to be words that are no longer in the vocabulary in certain peoples lives. If that had been my child, I would now be bringing Civil Litigations against the Teacher who bawled and screamed. And possibly criminal charges of harrasment against others who appear to run on 'stupidity'.
I appologise if this sounds strong, but there are several things I detest intently and they are:- unelected 'Jobsworths' who think that they are 'God'. Others who think that, like the cartoon character 'Judge Dredd' that they "Are The Law", and the apparent stupidity and incompetence displayed by many people who are 'in charge' as it were!!
Bah!! Loads of Humbugs!!!
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Posted: 14 October 2006 at 9:40am
I read about this and to be fair, this story only gives the girl's version of events. And let's face it; The Daily Mail(icious) rarely lets balance get in the way of a good story, particularly when it comes to sl*gging off the Old Bill. Granted, on the face of it; it does look OTT. But personally, I suspect that if the girl was in fact arrested for a Public Order offence there would have been further aggravating issues other than her simply asking to 'switch' classes. Or perhaps when she was refused a 'switch', she became abusive. Who knows? What does concern me though about this particular story is the increasing trend of Policing what occurs inside schools between children. Surely, such matters as these can be resolve internally by the school and teaching staff. Another example of the Police becoming bogged down in social engineering and been diverted away from our core responsibilities.
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Posted: 14 October 2006 at 10:40am
We lost our discretion as soon as NCRS came in. What has more than likely happened is the school, rightly or wrongly, has made a complaint to Police. Whoever took the call has created an incident and it has been labelled 'hate crime'. As soon as that happened all common sense goes out the window. It's a hate crime because the teacher said it was. Even if it was'nt. In our ever present battle to obtain more and more detections it was inevitable that she would be arrested and interviewed. I'm surprised that they did'nt try and caution her as they now have an undetected hate crime on their books (unless they 'no offenced' it)The investigating officer would have no choice. At least common sense has prevailed and it was NFA'd.
Regarding Police involvement in schools, it was inevitable that it was going to happen. How many newspaper articles have you seen over the years of teachers being hauled up before the courts accused of some 'crime' against children. The incident has normally been blown out of all proportion or the allegation was malicious and the teacher eventually cleared. If you were a teacher would you risk putting yourself through all that? They see it now as '..little johnny has committed a crime, the Police deal with that, lets call them...' The fact little johnny is 10yrs old is beside the point. I think we have made a rod for our own back by bringing these cases before a court instead of looking at them and thinking 'is this really necessary or was the teachers action justified?' If they crossed the line fair enough, but i think those cases are the minority.
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Posted: 14 October 2006 at 11:14am
Well said Moose. Too many officers these days are not allowed to use their 'common sense', for fear of criticism from on high. This case could have been dealt with 'in house', without the police becoming involved.
All these cases are presented as police 'shoot themselves in the foot', especially by the Mail, but to be fair to them, we often do. It needs senior officers with a bit of spine to say, this is not a matter for us, and stop worrying about being sued.
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Posted: 14 October 2006 at 11:19am
With reference to schools - our force policy is quite straightforward.
If something happens in the school, it is at the discretion of the head whether or not they report it to the police. Obviously if it is something serious, then the head will report it.
If a parent or child decides they are not happy with the way the school handle an incident, they can report it to the police, who will liaise with the school to conduct an investigation.
We don't get too many problems like this one.
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Posted: 14 October 2006 at 1:23pm
Yeah, five jays our force has the same policy. The had should first try and deal with the issue before contacting us, unless it is serious.
However there is the get out clause that you mentioned whereby if the parents are not happy they can take it further, and lets face it many of our clients are are only too happy to call us and report little Johhnys been called names / had dirt put in his hair etc.
The other problem is kids themslves ringing us on mobiles, job gets put on, we get sent turns out its a pile of cack but under NCRS it has to be crimed and investigated and many of the parents dont want it taken any further.
They cant see that we have to at least speak to the kids involved, i think this is maybe where this story has come from who knows.
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Posted: 17 October 2006 at 10:17pm
she did have a point though if they were discussing english and she was the only english speaking person in the class what a boring lecture it would be, ah so much for multi-culturism. I greatly believe that when you come to live in the uk you should have a grasp of the language and if you do not you should not be allowed to come in. I give immigrants credit however as many of them dont know how to speak english they certainly know how to milk the welfare system
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it has to be crimed and investigated and many of the parents dont want it taken any further. 
