Drugs Arrest Study Sparks Racism Claim

NBPA Stop Search Comment

Interpretation Of Drugs Figures Challenged

Three interesting stop & search / racisim reports.

That man has many skeletons in the cupboard, and a huge chip on his shoulder.

This report would have had some value if it had shown the guidelines used by Met officers to determine whether or not to arrest. I have to say that, although not in agreement with the reclassification, the Met have at least issued pretty good guidelines.

 If the report showed that there was a difference between those being arrested or not outside of those guidelines then there would be a problem worth addressing by the police. As it hasn't done that, then the best use for the report would be to be recycled into toilet paper.

 Reports like these can only cause harm and a reluctance of officers to use their stop and search powers. In a climate of the increasing use of weapons, I can't see that having any benefits for anyone.

Brian

No. You're only racist when these people won't see that they can be at fault or responsible for the outcome of their words and/or actions. Sometimes people make these claims with a misconceived attitude resulting from personal experience or, more usually, what they've been told by others. Other people quite deliberately make these claims, knowing the effect they will have & hoping to take advantage politically of the result. Let's be honest & say that there are a small number of people whose manner does warrant being described as 'racist' because their words & actions betray their racist attitude. Unfortunately this epithet is conveniently used to tar everyone with the same brush. There's a saying: 'Prejudice is a great time saver. It saves one having to make an opinion'.

This kind of argument is a popular one for people to use because you're damned either way. If you don't counter their argument, they will take it that that 'proves' what they say is 'correct' & if you do counter their argument you are just 'proving' to them that you're a 'bully' as well as being racist. Usually these people's arguments are made volubly & usually toward a number of like minded people, which helps to reinforce their existing prejudice, & force of numbers 'convinces' any waverers toward their cause. People like this man are a little more dangerous because they use the print, radio & TV mediums to advance their argument, knowing full well that their words will have more of an effect that they perhaps deserve because they cannot be immediately countered.

Edited by Graham

Does Mr Dizaei realise that making comments like that is neither productive, nor will increase public confidence or change attitudes?

Perhaps if he had to get onto the streets and see the fall-out of making derogatory comments about his officers he would be less hasty in making criticism in the future.

Maybe.

There are so many factors that these figures don't take into consideration:-

-grounds for search:
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Lets face it, the reason you ususally search someone who you end up finding cannabis on is that you stop them in a car/walk passed them in the street and smell cannabis, regardless of race. The other reason is an obvious change in direction or change of pace on sight of a uniformed officer. (both pretty good grounds for search)

-The amount or cannabis involved:
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Quite often people are arrested on susp. of P.W.I.T.S if they have a large amount of cannabis on them (ie, fist sized bag of it). Of course, theres no way your proving the offence unless the silly buggar admits it, so you end up charging them with simple possession

-The Previous of the suspect:-
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You are supposed to take action if the suspect is a repeat offender regardless of race.

-Other factors:-
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The other reasons for taking action are if its a young offender/in open view of the public/large amount of cannabis.

Now I bet if more research was done into the above factors, they'd find out that most suspects prosecuted for possession of cannabis were stopped/searched/arrested/charged like this:-

1- vehicle full of young lads with smokey windows stopped by police after erratic driving.
2- each lad found with a spliff/small wrap of herbal on him/ large amount of herbal found/name checks and intelligence checks reveal repeat offenders.
3- Arrested for possession/PWITS
4- eventually charged with possession after admissions of possession.

Of course, every action taken in this sequence of events is correct. And I bet that every prosecution of EVERY person charged with possession of cannabis was too!!

It shows you how these bullsh*t figures only tell a very small part of the truth!!

Edited by bigD

Interupter?

Don't you mean Interpreter?

Point taken!

I like the rebuff by the analyst.

I'm not racist, but i'm fed up with the minority having the loudest voice.

Why am I always made to feel racist when dealing with the minorities.  "You're only stopping me cause i'm black" comes the cry.  Well they wouldn't say that if I wasn't white would they?

And "You're only arrestin me cause i'm black" Nothing to do with the crack cocaine on you then?

I honestly couldn't care less what your skin colour isn't.  If you're  committing crime then you're coming with me.