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TAC2983
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   Topic: Essex Police - What a mess
Posted: 25 September 2009 at 6:49pm |
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Essex have over 3000 police officers, were bound to get some complaints, 900 odd ain't that bad, I know some officers who got three in the last year which were all informally resolved by inspectors and i happen to know that all three of these 'complaints' were from disgruntled people who felt they shouldn't have been arrested, Officers haven't changed and neither has the training, it's simply that front office staff are handing out IPCC complaint forms like confetti when they didn't know they existed two years ago!
I think the front office guys are doing a good job and they should be handing them out when someone comes in, but it does explain why the reported complaints have gone up!
Edited by TAC2983 - 25 September 2009 at 6:50pm
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Judge Dreddy
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Posted: 25 September 2009 at 10:29am |
In the bad 'old' days prior to the formation of the IPCC I recall that in the Met Divisional Complaint teams investigated complaints from 'Joe Public' and A.10 did the serious ones.
On my relief which was a pretty active one, every one of us had one, two or three on the go, the Inspector had two hanging over him and the Chief Inspector investigating the Inspector on his complaint was being investigated himself over some matter.
It did prove the old adage that 'the more you do, the more you are exposed' or 'those who poke their heads above the parapet..........
In my very humble but extremely knowedegable opinion, Essex Police, because they try to do more, and have the opportunity because of the interesting mix of rural and small cities are rather like that.
So I do not draw and adverse conclusions about Essex cops because of the stats - maybe they put themselves about a bit more than others.
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Posted: 24 September 2009 at 4:14pm |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/8271894.stm
Looks bad on the face of it, but this is why I have misgivings about the "Policing pledge" because it raises people's expectations and almosts asks for complaints because sometimes the pledges can't be met. OK, it may be "Aim to" do various things, but people then expect.
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Posted: 01 September 2009 at 8:56am |
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What is happening in Essex. Has morale jumped in 'leaps and bounds' since Roger Baker left. There have been no complaints since June 2009 so can we take it things are 'hunky dorry' in Essex since the new Chief arrived.
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Posted: 13 June 2009 at 7:51am |
Originally posted by Old Codger
Oh indeed he is Pen but I think he also sometimes says things just to stir things up.
I presume you are referring to Pat. I'm not sure he knows the difference between stirring and rabid rants. However, I have him completely blocked now so the only time I see his name is when someone replies to him. That appears in the top line and, as soon as I see it, I kill the thread. So, I no longer read his rants. I also note that uba seems to be recovering a little lately.
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Posted: 12 June 2009 at 11:04pm |
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Oh indeed he is Pen but I think he also sometimes says things just to stir things up.
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Posted: 12 June 2009 at 11:03pm |
I noticed, very appropriate. 
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Posted: 12 June 2009 at 11:01pm |
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Dreddy does say things to deliberately stir things up, whereas the person OC and myself know is just a total nutter.
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Posted: 12 June 2009 at 10:47pm |
His troll avatar is back though. 
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Posted: 12 June 2009 at 10:46pm |
Dreddy is only doing it to stir things up. I just like to correct him from time to time.
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Posted: 12 June 2009 at 10:38pm |
I think you are wasting your time M. Pen and I know someone else with a vivid imagination and he just will not be told. 
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Posted: 12 June 2009 at 1:19pm |
Originally posted by Judge DreddyAs a Warrior Level 71, on behalf of the Witch Woman of Essex I am going to cast a spell on you little minions which will make certain parts shrivel more than they have at the moment.
I have found that those who moan and whinge from anonymity through these pages are usually young Probies with far too much time on their hands or those who cannot 'cut the mustard' of rural policing and who shy away from new ideas or more forceful personalities than their own inadequate personas.
Read the runes - your time is numbered and check out your appendage which will become shorter by the moment
And just how have you found that those that moan etc are usually young probbies? By delving into your imagination? Part of your wargaming fantasy?
Because I can tell you your assertion is completely wrong. I know.
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Posted: 12 June 2009 at 11:20am |
As a Warrior Level 71, on behalf of the Witch Woman of Essex I am going to cast a spell on you little minions which will make certain parts shrivel more than they have at the moment.
I have found that those who moan and whinge from anonymity through these pages are usually young Probies with far too much time on their hands or those who cannot 'cut the mustard' of rural policing and who shy away from new ideas or more forceful personalities than their own inadequate personas.
Read the runes - your time is numbered and check out your appendage which will become shorter by the moment
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Posted: 11 June 2009 at 7:30pm |
Originally posted by Maverick22
Originally posted by The_Seagull
Originally posted by OnlySoMuch
Originally posted by The_Seagull
Originally posted by Penbwlch
Originally posted by The_Seagull
Hopefully it'll mean the return of CN. When I suggested, a little while ago, that she might replace RB, there was a massive reaction giving many reasons why this should not happen. I don't think she is popular.
I can think of at least 1300 people who'd give reasons why it should happen. She'd be more popular back there than around here. 
and i can think of nearly 4,000 reasons why it shouldn't. Our gang's bigger than yours
Come to think of it, if you want a 'troubleshooter' to sort it - i know of a CC with 'experience' in this field who will be available shortly..... 
We're holding out in hope that CN will take an interest in the two Chiefs posts that will soon be vacant in Wales. That isn't very charitable of you, why should those forces have to suffer The Witch Woman.
Because then she won't r(i)uning my force anymore. 
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Posted: 11 June 2009 at 9:35am |
Originally posted by The_Seagull
Originally posted by OnlySoMuch
Originally posted by The_Seagull
Originally posted by Penbwlch
Originally posted by The_Seagull
Hopefully it'll mean the return of CN. When I suggested, a little while ago, that she might replace RB, there was a massive reaction giving many reasons why this should not happen. I don't think she is popular.
I can think of at least 1300 people who'd give reasons why it should happen. She'd be more popular back there than around here.
and i can think of nearly 4,000 reasons why it shouldn't. Our gang's bigger than yours
Come to think of it, if you want a 'troubleshooter' to sort it - i know of a CC with 'experience' in this field who will be available shortly.....
We're holding out in hope that CN will take an interest in the two Chiefs posts that will soon be vacant in Wales. That isn't very charitable of you, why should those forces have to suffer The Witch Woman.
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Posted: 11 June 2009 at 12:23am |
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If the budget cutbacks get any worse I will be back busking down Southend High Street !
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Posted: 08 June 2009 at 1:25pm |
Originally posted by OnlySoMuch
Originally posted by The_Seagull
Originally posted by Penbwlch
Originally posted by The_Seagull
Hopefully it'll mean the return of CN. When I suggested, a little while ago, that she might replace RB, there was a massive reaction giving many reasons why this should not happen. I don't think she is popular.
I can think of at least 1300 people who'd give reasons why it should happen. She'd be more popular back there than around here.
and i can think of nearly 4,000 reasons why it shouldn't. Our gang's bigger than yours
Come to think of it, if you want a 'troubleshooter' to sort it - i know of a CC with 'experience' in this field who will be available shortly.....
We're holding out in hope that CN will take an interest in the two Chiefs posts that will soon be vacant in Wales.
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Posted: 07 June 2009 at 7:16pm |
Originally posted by The_Seagull
Originally posted by Penbwlch
Originally posted by The_Seagull
Hopefully it'll mean the return of CN. When I suggested, a little while ago, that she might replace RB, there was a massive reaction giving many reasons why this should not happen. I don't think she is popular.
I can think of at least 1300 people who'd give reasons why it should happen. She'd be more popular back there than around here.
and i can think of nearly 4,000 reasons why it shouldn't. Our gang's bigger than yours
Come to think of it, if you want a 'troubleshooter' to sort it - i know of a CC with 'experience' in this field who will be available shortly.....
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Posted: 06 June 2009 at 7:55pm |
Originally posted by M&MBMMav, that's a little unfair. That's one foolish copper using poor judgement, not at all attributable to poor leadership.
Count the days down...
Thats not RB's fault, a PC being rather immature.
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