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Fingersmuldoon
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Topic: No George Cross for DC Stephen Oake. Posted: 16 February 2006 at 11:05am |
Well, this beggars belief.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4718992.stm
They wont give us any support when we are doing the job, and now it looks like they couldn't give a damn when one of our ranks makes the ultimate sacrifice.
I would urge everyone on the forum to do as I have done, and write to the Home Office, your MP, Hazel Blears, everyone and get this deplorable decision reversed. You can get your MP's contact details here.
http://www.locata.co.uk/commons/
Its another kick in the knackers for the service as a whole, and a disgusting insult to the memory of a brave and dedicated officer.
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Morek54
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Posted: 16 February 2006 at 4:24pm |
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Fingers, couldn't agree more. Sadly, this aptly demonstrates the high esteem we now seem to be held in by the leaders of our country. Disgraceful. Beyond that, I'm lost for words...
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redneck
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Posted: 16 February 2006 at 4:46pm |
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i bet the pm has nothing but good to say about the officers outside his house (no disrespect to those officers)
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An idiot brings you down to his level and then beats you with experiance!
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Maverick22
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Posted: 16 February 2006 at 5:14pm |
You should know by now that Labour don't like awards, except to their cronies, who give them money. They dont like winners, i.e stopped school sports days because it wasnt fair on children who didnt win. Blair and co come out with their 'crocodile tears' and 'platitudes' when an officer is killed, but they are not worth the expelled air from their mouths. I bet the first thing that crosses their minds is one less pay packet to fork out, that Gus O'Donnell isnt much of a man, just read his CV, a Tony's crony, and crawler.
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Truncheon
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Posted: 16 February 2006 at 5:32pm |
I liked the quote from Paul Kelly, chairman of the Greater Manchester Police Federation.
"If - as I believe - the Prime Minister is aware of this decision and concurs with it, then he has let down Stephen, his family, my colleagues and every law enforcement officer in the country. He threw himself into extreme danger when he could have stepped aside and waited for back-up. He is a true hero and I am sickened by this decision."
Gallantry Award Veto Angers Police
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Special Girl
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Posted: 16 February 2006 at 5:53pm |
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It's such a disappointment. He confronted a violent criminal who had already
injured his colleagues and did this unarmed. He is a selfless hero.
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street_warrior
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Posted: 16 February 2006 at 5:58pm |
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This is a disgrace! I can't understand why won't honour his memory with the award, it's no skin off their noses and would mean so much to his family and friends.
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Wolfie
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Posted: 16 February 2006 at 6:47pm |
Knighthoods are now dished out almost on a whim to whomever is the flavour of the month.....I bet many of those have never put their lives on the line!!!
For all her faults, at least Maggie cared about the police.
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The shoebury 1
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Posted: 16 February 2006 at 7:46pm |
This man makes the ultimate sacrifice doing his job and the powers that be see fit not to reward it. I have no doubt that the award would go some way to show his family what a brave man he was and would help alleviate some of the grief they must be suffering.
Im sure that had he managed to overpower the criminal and cause him injury, the poor bloke would be on the end of a disciplinary charge.
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Posted: 16 February 2006 at 9:34pm |
The guidelines relating to the award of gallantry medals are stringent and there is a possibility that the committee may have got this one wrong.
However, the guidelines relating to the award of a Victoria Cross are even more stringent and were almost certainly ignored in order to make the award to the (undoubtedly courageous) young man who received it for his actions in Iraq.
One wonders if the award to the young hero was politically motivated - young man from ethnic minority fighting our beloved PM's war of debatable legality.
DC Stephen Oake GC would be a fitting acknowledgement to the courage of an outstanding example of how Police Officers choose to protect the often undeserving.
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Posted: 17 February 2006 at 5:26am |
What an injustice
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Maverick22
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Posted: 17 February 2006 at 7:27am |
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I love that statement from Downing Street, ''It wouldn't be right for the PM to interfere in the Awards process'', when did anything ever stop Phoney Tony from sticking his ore in. There are loads of his cronies who have been given awards, was it just coincidence that they happen to be friends of his, or donators to the Labour cause, come off it Blair and give DC Oake the gallantry award.
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Fingersmuldoon
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Posted: 17 February 2006 at 9:21am |
Guys,
Use the links on the Cabinet Locata page to let these spineless wa***rs know what we think.
So far I have mailed my local MP, Hazel Blears, Phoney Tony, and Gus O'Donnell. I have, in no uncertain terms, told them how abhorrent this decision is, what an insult it is to DC Oake's memory and his family, and what a kick in the teeth it is to the police service as a whole. It sends completely the wrong message to the public, just another expendable copper.
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Fingersmuldoon
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Posted: 17 February 2006 at 9:47am |
Copy of the letter I sent to Blair...
Sir,
I am writing with regard to the Home Office decision not to award DC. Oake the George Cross.
This is a disgusting move and an insult to the brave officers memory and a kick in the teeth for the police service as a whole. I implore you and the other members of the house to move to have this abhorrent decision reversed.
We are facing challenging times in the UK with the threat from terrorism, the general degrading of standards in society, and a total lack of respect for people, property and the laws of the land. We rely on a motivated and dedicated police service to protect us. This latest decision sends the wrong message to the general public and the thugs this brave officer had sworn to bring to justice. His colleagues, especially those who were with him during the arrest of Bourgass, must be devastated at this news.
Although I did not know DC Oake personally I was privileged to be able to attend his funeral service, as indeed were you. I am sure you can remember the ranks of officers stood outside the Cathedral, in the freezing cold, tears rolling down their cheeks. I am sure the outpouring of emotion was the same inside the Cathedral. I can therefore think of no more fitting tribute to the memory of this courageous officer than this award. I urge you and your colleagues to move to have this ridiculous decision overturned.
You, above all others, have the power to put right this terrible wrong, and restore some dignity to this situation and I strongly urge you to intervene in this matter. Not only will this honour DC Oake's memory and recognise the ultimate sacrifice he made, it will also go some way towards bolstering the morale of a constantly brow beaten police service.
Yours.
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Posted: 18 February 2006 at 12:20am |
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Kloozo
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Posted: 18 February 2006 at 10:07am |
Originally posted by Fingersmuldoon
Copy of the letter I sent to Blair...
Sir,
I am writing with regard to the Home Office decision not to award DC. Oake the George Cross.
This is a disgusting move and an insult to the brave officers memory and a kick in the teeth for the police service as a whole. I implore you and the other members of the house to move to have this abhorrent decision reversed.
We are facing challenging times in the UK with the threat from terrorism, the general degrading of standards in society, and a total lack of respect for people, property and the laws of the land. We rely on a motivated and dedicated police service to protect us. This latest decision sends the wrong message to the general public and the thugs this brave officer had sworn to bring to justice. His colleagues, especially those who were with him during the arrest of Bourgass, must be devastated at this news.
Although I did not know DC Oake personally I was privileged to be able to attend his funeral service, as indeed were you. I am sure you can remember the ranks of officers stood outside the Cathedral, in the freezing cold, tears rolling down their cheeks. I am sure the outpouring of emotion was the same inside the Cathedral. I can therefore think of no more fitting tribute to the memory of this courageous officer than this award. I urge you and your colleagues to move to have this ridiculous decision overturned.
You, above all others, have the power to put right this terrible wrong, and restore some dignity to this situation and I strongly urge you to intervene in this matter. Not only will this honour DC Oake's memory and recognise the ultimate sacrifice he made, it will also go some way towards bolstering the morale of a constantly brow beaten police service.
Yours.
Good letter, but why "Sir" at the top?
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Fingersmuldoon
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Posted: 18 February 2006 at 1:38pm |
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Because the alternative was unprintable.
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Posted: 18 February 2006 at 9:57pm |
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I read in 'The Sun' today, that they are also starting a signature campaign protesting at the treatement of DC Oake. Wonder if the Daily mail will also take up the cause?
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Special Girl
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Posted: 19 February 2006 at 8:36pm |
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A newpaper backing the police up - now there's something. That just shows
how the people must really feel about it.
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Posted: 19 February 2006 at 11:02pm |
Originally posted by Special Girl
It's such a disappointment. He confronted a violent criminal who had already injured his colleagues and did this unarmed. He is a selfless hero.
I believe that the Home Office issued a statement implying that Stephen, 'acted in the normal course of his duty'.
With due respect to the other officer who had been injured. That comment would be applicable. However. Stephen had witnessed the aforementioned act, so he was now fully aware that he was putting his life on the line, at the expense of protecting his fellow officers and to secure the offender.
No way should such action be considered, 'normal course of duty'. Had this been a situation executed in the armed services, a posthumous award would have been the norm.
As someone has already mentioned. This is another groin kicking for the police.
With the Home Office's plan for doubling the number of pcso's, which no doubt will also include reduction or limited increase of warranted officers. Can the pcso's get an idea of just what value they will be in years to come. Not much, is the firm reply.
On the other hand. Sports persons get knighthoods etc. for enjoying themselves.
The poor British Bobby doesn't even get respect.
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