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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 10:16am
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unfortunatley it seems the way forward i dont if it the way officers are trained or force policy but to many are scares to make a decsion for fear of a complaint, most PSD depts appear to be chomping at the bit waiting to nail a officer over any kind of complaint.
we have far to many younf inexperienced officers on response, to many 1st line supervisors promote with only a couple of years service yes they can quote rule /rega and on occasions the entire contents of Blackstones but have no commone sense or experience in real world policng.
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 10:48am
Originally posted by sykes
Mav
unfortunatley it seems the way forward i dont if it the way officers are trained or force policy but to many are scares to make a decsion for fear of a complaint, most PSD depts appear to be chomping at the bit waiting to nail a officer over any kind of complaint.
we have far to many younf inexperienced officers on response, to many 1st line supervisors promote with only a couple of years service yes they can quote rule /rega and on occasions the entire contents of Blackstones but have no commone sense or experience in real world policng.
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 8:49pm
If you read the story carefully it seems that he detained the youths who had burgled his cellar. Then their mates assemble outside and he has gone out and chinned one of them.
I imagine the fact that he has received, and accepted, a caution indicates that he has admitted as much.
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 10:40pm
If it is as reported he should have been given a medal, not prosecuted. Yobs today think they can get away with anything and often they are right.
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Posted: 14 March 2010 at 10:51am
There's always a danger with these stories when we only have on half of the story as already stated this man admitted the offence and the burglar has been charged....
Did he go too far? It wouldn't be the first time would it? I for one have been to plenty of incidents at takeaways, restaurants and involving taxi drivers where even where there were clearly victims, those victims hadn't helped themselves by their own behaviour. It often a race to those sort of jobs to prevent 'suspects' getting a beating.
Just my thoughts....perhaps the actions of the police were justified?
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Posted: 17 March 2010 at 9:38am
On the other hand I can't help but believe that they needed chinning- Some burglars and some yobbos trying to secure their release after being caught red handed....
Much as I dont believe there are any innocent bystanders in the middle of a riot 2 hours into the situation....These idiots dont have my sympathy either.
Its difficult to say without the details but I feel for him.
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Posted: 17 March 2010 at 10:28am
What these things, moreso when there is justfication, fail to report is because of the way the govt say we have to record crime common sense is kicked into touch. So if scrote says innocent householder assaulted him it should be crimed as such & innocent householder dealt with as a criminal until proved otherwise. But then it's easier to get a confession out of someone who doesn't know the system than it is a seasoned scrote.
It's absolutley ridiculous but the papers give the impression we are being stupid & insensitive when in fact we're just doing what the govt decided was a good idea.
I have no idea why chief officers didn't resist this at the time, but then again more recently they've blindly accepted the policing pledge without telling govt it's a stupid idea. I still think somewhere along the line some politician is going to realise that by inserting common sense into the equation again they're going to dramatically cut crime.
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Posted: 17 March 2010 at 7:36pm
Originally posted by IveToldYouOnce
They get a free solicitor after all - so are these free solicitors just getting people to admit stuff that they didn't do?
Yes, you do get the duty solicitor FOC, but what then? What if you're not entitled to legal aid and can't afford representation in court? And please don't say you shouldn't have commited a crime, then!
It's one thing to have morals and principles, it's another to be able to afford to stand by them in court.
I can well imagine many people accepting a caution thinking it's the easy way out or that they'd rather just 'get it over and done with' probably not even fully realising accepting a caution is an admission of guilt.
In this case though, was it in the public interest to caution this man? A difficult one, I can see that what could (at a stretch) be called vigilantism can't be encouarged and that the police can't be seen to condone it, nor ignore it, although a lot of people may think thats exactly what you should do!
I can also see that this mans actions could have made a bad situation worse but sometimes the only language people understand is a clip round the ear and if you're driven to resorting to physical actions through sheer frustration or if you feel under threat, should you be punished for it? As I said, a difficult one but perhaps some "words of advice" should have been given to this man rather than a caution.
I thought this article which touched on this specific case made a lot of sense:
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Posted: 20 March 2010 at 11:33pm
This article sums up Britain's Police perfectly !!!
Terrified of disregarding the word of two scumbags through fear of complaints and making insane decisions based on crime recording standards rules.
The actions taken by the business owner would have been accepted not so long ago as reasonable by society. Yes he assaulted two boys but so what ? They tried to break into his property and deprive him of his livelihood so should deal with the consequences.
It makes me angry hearing the hindsight brigade saying "Well he should have just phoned the Police" but realistically what would happen ? We would be 40 minutes late having been actioned to a priority 1 "Domestic incident" arresting two scummy neds fighting about the price of beans.
It is easy for us to take the moral high ground living and breathing Police 24/7 but for Joe public who doesn't wear a uniform with full PPE, doesn't know the law inside out and who is just trying to stop a crime, he just acts on instinct.
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Posted: 21 March 2010 at 6:14am
Originally posted by gm011792
This article sums up Britain's Police perfectly !!!
Terrified of disregarding the word of two scumbags through fear of complaints and making insane decisions based on crime recording standards rules.
The actions taken by the business owner would have been accepted not so long ago as reasonable by society. Yes he assaulted two boys but so what ? They tried to break into his property and deprive him of his livelihood so should deal with the consequences.
It makes me angry hearing the hindsight brigade saying "Well he should have just phoned the Police" but realistically what would happen ? We would be 40 minutes late having been actioned to a priority 1 "Domestic incident" arresting two scummy neds fighting about the price of beans.
It is easy for us to take the moral high ground living and breathing Police 24/7 but for Joe public who doesn't wear a uniform with full PPE, doesn't know the law inside out and who is just trying to stop a crime, he just acts on instinct.
Light travels faster than sound, thats why some people appear bright, until they open their mouths. A Chicken crossing the road, poultry in motion. .
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